Yes, that's what I was looking for. I didn't see those in the original pics. I'm not one to question Bart, but I'd have guessed (clearly) what Jared did... Either way, it's very nice

Understood! I realized that my initial pics of #3 didn't accurately show all the details. Honestly, the white lines are a bit hidden when the stone is dry...wetting the side makes them stand out. I originally thought they might just be from the cutting/grinding process.

Bart, do you think with the last 2 pictures it may be LV instead of LNV? Not that it really matters to me, I love them all, but would love to know something about where they came from

the green striprd box, that box i have seen and had one , that i borrowed, i'm sure on the box it was called the old rock version of coti's?

the one i tryed was criss wdrx, and the edges were difficult to get keen but boy when i say mellow i mean the edges were mellow, as in they felt superbly dull, and forging

danjared:

Bart:

Coticule #3: La Nouvelle Veine.

Kind regards,
Bart.

I'm just wondering, how come La Nouvelle Veine? From the blue splotches and areas with a reddish/pink tinge, I would have thought La Veinette. The thin lines of blue on the side also contributed to me thinking La Veinette.

Check out n°29 of the Vault. It's a La Nouvelle Veine with some manganese traces.

Thin blue hairlines are the tale-telling sings of La Nouvelle Veine, although this on occasion has to be overruled by stronger other features that can swing a determination otherwise. E.g. one side of Les Latneuses has the blue hairlines as well. La Nouvelle Veine often has "woodgrain" appearance, whereas Les Latneuses has not. I've put "hairlines" in bold, because thicker blue lines can be seen in many layers, often La Grise and La Dressante.
La Nouvelle Veine sometimes shows a bit of a blotchy surface, as if some of the blue shines through at spots. I believe that's because the hairlines are often wavering a bit.

Blue hairlines have nothing to do with La Veinette. La Veinette is recognized because it's in 99% of cases naturally bonded to a BBW, and has thin white lines in the side of that BBW. La Veinette is also a layer without "woodgrain" appearance. I think presence of "woodgrain" overrules white lines in the BBW part of a natural combo.

Concerning "woodgrain", I can also say that La Grise generally seems to be the layer with the most pronounced "woodgrain", with the longest fibers. Often part of these "fibers" are red within La Grise, without any redness in the base color Redness or pinkness of the base color is usually indicative of La Dressante, and occasionally La Veinette, rarely Le Petite Blanche.
The red striations we see on #2 here is a major reason for me to declare it La Grise. Woodgrain with red striation spells La Grise in my mind.

We can see that #3 has grain, albeit more modest than #2, and from what I can see in the pictures, it does have blue hairlines at the side. Hence I called La Nouvelle Veine.

The fact that the owner states this stone to leave the smoothest edge of the three, seemed to further concur with that determination.

But determinations remain tricky business. I can only state what I think it is, and other opinions are as good as my own.

Kind regards,
Bart.

Bart:

But determinations remain tricky business. I can only state what I think it is, and other opinions are as good as my own.

Don't get too carried away with that lol

Thanks for the additional information. Very enlightening

Bart:

danjared:

Bart:

Coticule #3: La Nouvelle Veine.

Kind regards,
Bart.

I'm just wondering, how come La Nouvelle Veine? From the blue splotches and areas with a reddish/pink tinge, I would have thought La Veinette. The thin lines of blue on the side also contributed to me thinking La Veinette.

Check out n°29 of the Vault. It's a La Nouvelle Veine with some manganese traces.

Thin blue hairlines are the tale-telling sings of La Nouvelle Veine, although this on occasion has to be overruled by stronger other features that can swing a determination otherwise. E.g. one side of Les Latneuses has the blue hairlines as well. La Nouvelle Veine often has "woodgrain" appearance, whereas Les Latneuses has not. I've put "hairlines" in bold, because thicker blue lines can be seen in many layers, often La Grise and La Dressante.
La Nouvelle Veine sometimes shows a bit of a blotchy surface, as if some of the blue shines through at spots. I believe that's because the hairlines are often wavering a bit.

Blue hairlines have nothing to do with La Veinette. La Veinette is recognized because it's in 99% of cases naturally bonded to a BBW, and has thin white lines in the side of that BBW. La Veinette is also a layer without "woodgrain" appearance. I think presence of "woodgrain" overrules white lines in the BBW part of a natural combo.

Concerning "woodgrain", I can also say that La Grise generally seems to be the layer with the most pronounced "woodgrain", with the longest fibers. Often part of these "fibers" are red within La Grise, without any redness in the base color Redness or pinkness of the base color is usually indicative of La Dressante, and occasionally La Veinette, rarely Le Petite Blanche.
The red striations we see on #2 here is a major reason for me to declare it La Grise. Woodgrain with red striation spells La Grise in my mind.

What you say about #2 makes a lot of sense to me. I wasn't really sure about that one from the initial set of pictures, but the second set of pictures definitely makes it more clear.

In regards to the third stone, I don't think I see a woodgrain? It's really hard for me to tell. It looks rough on the top like it's been lapped on something coarse, which is more apparent on one of the blue splotches. I do see the pinkish clouds, and don't really see blueish clouds as well. But, the lighting is pretty dim. From the side it looks just like my La Veinette, which has thin blue lines exactly like that one. (I gave the one with a crack on the top to a newbie to use the BBW side, or I'd compare to that one as well.) Maybe a picture of the stone wet would make it easier to distinguish scratches from surface feature. Honestly, because of the scratches from the very rough lapping plate Ardennes-Coticule uses, I find it really difficult to see the finer surface features of a stone.

I do agree that identification can be pretty tricky.

I must admit that I mainly based my determining on the pictures of the first post. For seeing "wood like textures" in Coticule #3, I based myself on this particular picture, originally linked in said post:


That patterns looks very typically La Nouvelle Veine to me. It's possibly that I focussed to much on just that picture.

Kind regards,
Bart.

I may have focused too much on the other picture.

It's as you say that identification of coticules is like identifying mushrooms. Fortunately, no one can die from misidentifying a coticule!

Thanks again Bart! That's some great information! I appreciate everyone who has contributed to this thread

Can't wait for my next Coti!

tzee:

Bart, I understand now about the spots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfU7FgLMchI

I currently own this stone actually and yes it has the spots all over the surface..
It's a great coticule.

Disburden:

tzee:

Bart, I understand now about the spots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfU7FgLMchI

I currently own this stone actually and yes it has the spots all over the surface..
It's a great coticule.

That's a nice stone that I wish I could try out one day, or own one like it. I'm a big LNV fan, as you know.